Sh*ts going down in the macro and the micro - and you need more gluesticks (Ep.26)
Check out Episode 26 where we talk about the tension between managing the challenges of the everyday against the backdrop of the MANY major crises in the world. Promise to talk about what matters - and make you chuckle a bit too.
Show notes and sneak peek
Season 4 starts now! Keith joins Laura and Kori to touch base mid-summer because Lord, y’all - so much is happening! The three discuss the tension of living our individual lives with its daily rhythms, routines, and pressing “must dos” while acknowledging the big picture things happening in our world that we just cannot ignore! And boy oh boy are we tired of living in unprecedented times! Poor elder millennials - it’s all we know.
Big macro forces include the ongoing genocide in Gaza, a shooting at a presidential campaign rally, famine in Sudan and DRC, exploitative mining practices in Congo, inflation, violations of the separation of church and state in Louisiana classrooms, dangerous and crazy Supreme Court decisions about homelessness, bribery, and presidential immunity, AIPAC bragging about influencing our elections, a felon leading the presidential race, Nazis marching in Nashville. Yet we have to pack for vacations, drive kids to camps, and make dinner. Gah!
We reflect on the events of recent weeks and have some takeaways.
Americans consume violence as our entertainment - from the NFL to the Law and Order series to true crime podcasts. So why are we surprised when we see political violence? Violence is woven into the fabric of our nation’s history - particularly violence against native peoples and Africans captured and forced into slavery. And it only continued - see Tulsa Race Massacre - and even school shootings. Assassinations aren’t even new - see Lincoln, JFK, MLK. Yes we condemn violence, but let’s be clear - this is not new.
Kori shares a terrifying, poignant memory of being a 10 year old girl in the backseat of her parents’ vehicle as the police pulled them over with SWAT and helicopters, assuming the car was stolen. Perhaps the shock is just new to white Americans?
More than ever - community is everything - practically and strategically. Check on and take care of your people. Flex your empathy muscles. Don’t feel guilty about self-care. Remember - you’re putting out brush fires in your own life while a forest fire rages all around. Finding joy and healing spaces is critical. And even if you have the privilege to ignore what’s going on in the world - fight that urge. Don’t be a rugged individualist. Lean in and recognize the power of the collective. And if you haven’t read about Project 2025, the time is now. So much dangerous wild stuff - from women’s rights to weather reports! Get educated about the stakes and talk about them with your people.
And lighter topics of conversation include The Price is Right and how Bob Barker is better than Drew Carey as host. Streaming services with ads are making us cranky. Wasn’t the point of streaming to skip ads on cable? And all the categories of exercise classes in these handy dandy apps, The Outer Banks on Netflix, school supply shopping with a bajillion glue sticks, crazy school calendars, our vacation plans.
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Episode 26 Full Episode
Kori: [00:00:00] Ish.
Keith: We,
Kori: yeah.
Keith: What is it? What are we talking about?
Kori: Welcome to Pushing Past Polite, where we talk about what matters to make the world more just. I'm Kori. And I'm Laura.
Keith: What? That was so, no. That
Laura: was, what are you doing? I don't know. I'm following your lead, but I don't like it.
Keith: It's
Laura: I don't like that was low energy and we haven't even prepped this poor man
Closest to 1 without going over.
I'm Bob Barker remember to spay and neuter your pets. Look at you Bob Barker drew Carrie Oh, yeah, Drew. Carrie doesn't do it for me.
Kori: I mean I mean, for, for anybody who grew up with Bob Barker, he wouldn't do it for you.
Laura: Barker's beauties. I know. It's just different. Yeah. Yes. It's a different time. I do love that.
It's a different time. Totally. Well, speaking of times, we're living in a crazy one. Friends, welcome to Pushing Past Polite, where we talk about what matters to make the world more just. I'm Laura. I'm Sarah. I'm Kori, and we're so glad you're here. Welcome back. Yes, we are. When we say welcome back, it's more of like, this is a Midsummer podcast.
We may or may not be able to get one to you in the next two weeks beyond this. Let's be honest, because G's about to start soon. We got Cori cruising the Mediterranean. Um, so just know that like we haven't forgotten about you. You have,
Kori: you have a beach week. I have a summer. Beach. Beach week.
Laura: I do. So just know we love you.
We wanted, we missed you. There's a whole fricking lot to talk about in the world right now. We felt the need to drop back in, um, but we will still, we're going to get together. It just might be a few more weeks from now to do the, after this one drops. Okay. So don't panic. It's like a, we're sort of the world.
Yes. We're sort of back and Keith's with us. Hi buddy. Yay. Our bestie. We love this guy. All right. So Kori and I were talking yesterday about. The challenge of living in the tension between the macro and the micro stressors of this world and all that's happening right now. Kori, you want to like give us a little taste of what you meant by that?
Kori: Yeah, yeah. So like the macro stressors, we have, um, all kinds of things happening in the world. We have a presidential election that's on, that's kind of I'm sorry,
Laura: which adjective are we going to use for this? Yeah. Two incumbents, one felon. One has COVID, one almost got assassinated, one may not stay in.
Okay. Sorry. So that.
Kori: Yes. So there's that. Then we have like a ongoing bombardment in Gaza that's happening. There is famine that's spreading across Sudan and DRC. There are [00:03:00] other elections happening in, uh, our ally countries where shifts are taking place in terms of who is holding power, the left or the right.
Um, and then we have things like vacations to prepare for and dinner to make and school prep and, uh, all of those things that are happening like all the time, right? Toddlers need you right now to come and sit with them and make them feel comfortable. And you know, like in sitting there, I'm thinking about all the toddlers who are orphaned and or had limbs amputated or who are suffering from some sort of disease because they are mining.
Uh, cobalt or something in Congo with no protection and no food and barely any water, you know, so it's like all of these things are intersecting and happening in all the time, right? And so like, they're present in my mind and my spirit and my
Laura: heart regularly. And you're, and you're using the cobalt mind.
By these children in the iPhone in your hand to read about right stories to read about the stories as you're feeding your toddler and reading the news. And yeah,
Kori: yeah, yeah. And it's like, and there's, you know, Inflation is out of control, and everything feels really expensive. Oh, meanwhile, we're trying to watch a movie on Amazon Prime that we fucking pay for, and we have to watch commercials because we don't pay for the other level of Prime.
Or Netflix, or whatever the thing is, too, right? So it's like, that is making me insane lately, too. This notion of, of like, moving back to where we were. Like, we went to streaming. I'm gonna invent cable. To get away from TV and cable. Aw. Aw. To avoid the commercials, and now we're in streaming, we have commercials again because capitalism.
And you have
Laura: five bills a month, not one now. Now you have your stream. Yes! Yes, but I still have to watch commercials. The nerve. The nerve.
Keith: And you don't own anything anymore. That's right. I use a lot of different software. And it used to be you would buy a piece of software for a few hundred dollars and then use it forever.
And now, nope. It's like a few hundred dollars a year. Twelve month subscription. Every year. Yes. Yes.
Kori: Yes. It's like a bottomless.
Keith: The joys of capitalism means that there's no competition. It's not like, alright, well I'll go buy the competitor's product because that's physical. Nope. Everybody is doing this software as a service now and it, it's just.
Laura: And there's exclusive content, right? Disney owns Disney stuff. Amazon has their originals, etc. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can we just take a collective, like, deep breath?
Like, it's just Keith, you're still holding your breath! Oh, thanks, thanks. I appreciate you taking part in my yoga exercise. I need a longer breath than that. I do. Maybe we take three. We need a much longer Maybe we take three. I [00:06:00] just, oh my god, the severity of what's happening in the world and the dumpster fire of all that juxtaposed with like, Hi!
It's time to pay your Verizon bill and like, water your plants because it's been a hundred freaking degrees and pack your kids for camp and like, you have to just keep going. And so so many people just can't tune in to what's happening because of their bandwidth, right? Like, who has energy to give yourself to all of this?
And yet it really matters that we're paying attention because shit's going down.
Kori: Yeah. Shit is going down everywhere. Shit is going down. And so let's talk about all the shit that's going down. Let's start with our own government. Okay. Where do you want to start? Where can't we start? There's like so many places to start.
How about the lowest performing? Uh, schools, uh, states, are saying, Hey, Bible is necessary, we're banning books, we need to add the Bible, let's throw the Ten Commandments up here, there. Oh gosh, I know that these kids can't fucking read, and I know that they're hungry, we don't want to feed them anything. Nah.
But let's make sure thou shalt
Laura: not steal. The tablets are all you need. And by tablets, I mean Moses. Yeah, right. The stones. I mean the iPads. Yeah, then you've got the Supreme Court saying that homelessness is a crime.
Kori: Oh, but we can take bribes as long as you don't say it's a bribe before you give it to us or before we do the thing that you're bribing us to do.
We can receive those bribes, but don't write it down, what we're doing for
Laura: you, and then
Kori: just make sure you pay us
Laura: after. Mm hmm. All good. And, and it's all good. And how dare you even suggest that we need an ethics inquiry. Give me a break. That's ridiculous. Get out of here. And besides, the president's immune.
He can do anything. It's in the course. He can do anything. In the course of office. He can do whatever
Kori: he liiiikes.
Laura: He can do whatever he liiiikes. I don't know the song well enough to sing it along with you, but I know what song you're singing. Um, okay. So that's executive branch. That's some legislative branch in states, which I'm sure we have plenty going on.
We have,
Kori: we have, uh, lobbying firms. It's bragging about flipping seats in our Congress and Senate. We have the AIPAC. We have The AIPAC is who I'm talking about. Bragging about winning, investing all this money to unseat people in our government and somehow that's okay. People don't seem to have a problem with that, which is extremely alarming that we have a external government with so much power and influence within our government.
So, like,
Laura: that's happening. We have an 80 some year old president who could not articulate a case for why he should be president in the first debate when the bar was set very low. It could not be cleared.
Kori: We have a candidate on the [00:09:00] GOP side now that he 34 felonies! Yes, he, a rapist, a felon, a swindler, he's like literally just a crook. Like everything about him. He is the worst of humanity, consolidated into an individual. He's a narcissist. He has little man syndrome. He has no empathy or compassion for anyone outside of himself.
He is a sick person in his head. And meanwhile, people who look like me, who've been to jail for marijuana or something like that, they can't vote a fucking all. Right? It's like the regular old Joes who have a felony conviction aren't allowed to vote at all, but somehow this guy can run for the highest office.
Can, right. Wait, they can't vote. They can't get jobs. They can't get housing because all those applications ask you if you are a felon, if you have ever been a convicted felon. But we
Laura: can go ahead and pay for him to live in the people's house. But
Kori: we can go ahead and, yes. Somehow that's okay. Like what? We have Nazis marching down the fucking street.
In Nashville.
Laura: Weekly.
Kori: Weekly and
Laura: monthly. Regardless. Regularly. Too
Kori: often. Right? So like, and people don't seem to be up in arms about that. Let somebody practice their first amendment right in an encampment somewhere. On a college campus. On a college campus. And we have riot police. But where are the riot police when the Nazis are marching?
Maybe they're wearing the masks and marching with the Nazis.
Laura: Or at least not. Yeah. I think
Kori: back to January 6th. why aren't they showing their faces? Right? We, we, they are unmasking people at encampments and pulling hijabs off and pulling cup face coverings off and masks off. And then we have literal fucking Nazis walking down the street in the city I was born in.
And there's no police. This is America.
Laura: Yeah. I, so much to say. I think the narrative, what I kept hearing after the assassination attempt on Trump. Is that what we're calling it? I don't know. Who even knows? Who knows? I don't want to be a tinfoil hat kind of girl. How about like, what happened at the Trump rally?
Let's also say this. 19th when we're recording this. By the time we, this gets out, who knows what else has, may have happened in the world. Who knows? Perhaps we'll have more data on the fact that this was or wasn't, perhaps Biden won't be running anymore, we don't know.
Kori: Like, we don't know. The fact that there's a question, I feel like, is indicative of the kind of character of this person, right?
The fact that we even are like, was there an assassination? Right, right, right,
Laura: right.
Keith: I
Laura: know.
Keith: I know. I don't want to get bogged down either, but there is some talk that he didn't actually [00:12:00] get hit with the bullet, like when they were asking for clarification, they won't offer it. And a lot of people seem to think that the, uh, the bullet hit the teleprompter screen, which is glass and a piece of glass hit his ear.
And he's hiding it with this giant, like, homemade, I don't know if anybody saw the bandage at the convention. You mean
Laura: the one that everyone else is wearing, too? Like a cult? Everyone is wearing this bandage in Solidary, but when kids get shot in school, we wear the NRA AR 15 rifles on our chest. Sorry. Go ahead.
Just
Keith: saying, I know a lot of healthcare workers who say that that bandage is not, was not applied professionally. Agreed. Somebody put that on. It's theater. I'm saying that if the bandage on his ear is theater, it's right to question, You know, everything else. Yeah.
Laura: Anyway. But here we are after that happens and all you hear is, this is not America.
We don't accept violence here. We don't accept violence here. And I'm like, time out. First of all, first of all, you're right. Violence is not a great thing, but this is absolutely what we do. 100 percent America. This is absolutely what we do. This is the candidate who says he can grab women by the genitals.
This is, I mean like, tell me we don't like violence when on our free time we're watching people. You know, NFL is like the thing and it's a very violent sport. We've got video games. Law and
Kori: Order SVU has been on for my whole lifetime. Entertainment. It has been like. Out of sexual crimes. Sexual crimes and violence.
Like how many Law and Orders are there? And CSIs. All of these criminal, violent, Dateline. Dateline. Like all of these things. This is what people are consuming to, to decompress? To
Laura: decompress. So, like, let's be clear that, and, and, and as if this is new, right? I'm sorry. Assassination of MLK, Abraham Lincoln, JFK, like, it's not new.
This is not like this has never happened here. This happens here, right? So like, let's just be clear. It's not a good thing. We should condemn violence. Absolutely. But to say, like, to pearl clutch and say, this could never be, this is not the America I know, is kind of bullshit.
Kori: Well, or you're just living in a lot of
Laura: privilege.
You've never experienced it before.
Kori: That's
Laura: right, it's
Kori: being turned on your person now. This is 100 percent the America that I know. Right, like, I was a 10 year old in a car with my parents getting pulled over and on the freeway with guns pointed at me and my face down on the ground. Because my doctor dad somehow stole a car or hijacked somebody.
Keith: Wow. And it
Kori: took, like, all of us getting out of the car, SWAT team, helicopters, all of this shit. How old were you when that happened? Ten. Oh my God. One hundred percent America. There was never a question. There was never, like, CID, nothing. It
Laura: was the assumption that black man in a nice car had stolen it.
Kori: Yeah, cause somebody had, somebody had called and that one person's word was Was all that mattered, [00:15:00] right? 100 percent America.
J: Helicopter.
Kori: Helicopters. Freeway shut down both directions. Like a major freeway in LA. You know what I'm saying? 100 percent America. So I don't buy it, right? When we can bomb our own cities.
When we're flooding out, like the Tulsa Massacre happened, no one ever went to jail, no one was ever held accountable, and They denied reparations to the final
Laura: survivors, 102 years old, they denied reparations. This is America. That's not political violence. I also, you know, we were reflecting on this the other day, and like, our, the very founding of this country included violence on Native people, enslavement of, of, of a continent of people.
Like, this I just say, I'm not saying there's nothing good about America and I'm not saying that obviously that any of this is okay, but we have normalized a lot of shit and this is the, this is the fruit of the tree we have planted.
Kori: And now people are clutching their pearls cause it's affecting them, right?
But it's like, this is what people are living through all over the place all the time,
Laura: you know? Yeah. And the Make America Great Again idea of the call back to times when better were better. Like, it was not good for somebody ever.
Kori: Ever? When? It's like, when was America great? It's like, oh, that's right, women couldn't vote.
Or black people couldn't vote. Or white, or, or people, white people and people of color couldn't use the same bathrooms, uh, schools, uh, water fountains, restaurants. Redlining
Laura: in neighborhoods, couldn't get a mortgage. Yeah. Right? The good old days. And it's like, we're, we're reaping the implications of all of that, right?
Until we deal with the root. We will continue to get the fruit. Look at me rhyming. Didn't mean to. I just, the shock is just what shocks me. The shock shocks me at this point, but
Kori: it's, it feels so performative. Like it's not even a real shock. You know what I'm saying? It's like, if we can sit here and watch.
A genocide happening on our phones and we can sit here and watch children digging through mines for things that we can be on our phones watching them dig through mines, right? Like, why is that not shocking? If Sandy Hook happened and then, I don't even know how many mass shootings in schools have happened since then, right?
Like, why are we pretending to be surprised? We haven't done anything to have different outcomes. And so, like, that, that shock is just performative to me, because you haven't done anything to have a different experience.
Laura: Or there's some crazy cognitive dissonance.
Kori: Yeah, that's, that's, that's, America is, [00:18:00] America is crazy cognitive dissonance.
If you can sit here and be like, I live in the land of the free, then you are full of shit. Because this freedom that you think that you're experiencing is literally on the necks, bodies, blood, and bones of other people. The kids from Sandy Hook were supposed to have graduated from high school this year.
And we've had, since then, all these other shootings in schools. Now we have, now we have law enforcement doing trial runs in schools, traumatizing kids to pretend and prepare for a shooting. What the actual fuck?
Keith: I think it's cumulative, right? Like at least part of it is because of Sandy Hook, we've gone through it.
We did have the shock at the time. So now it's sort of like, okay. Somebody climbs up. But it's like we
Kori: had Columbine.
Keith: Yeah. Why
Kori: didn't there something change after that? Like, why did we have to have Sandy Hook? I agree. Yeah. And everything
Laura: that follows. Why
Kori: did we have to have you, Voldy? Why did we have to have
Laura: Virginia Tech.
Like
Kori: what? Virginia Tech. Yeah. Why, like, Newtown? Why did we have to have all that? We had Columbine. Columbine should have been like, Whoa!
Keith: Yeah. I, I think it's just, from like an individual level, at least for me and a lot of the people I know, there's like this element of learned helplessness a little bit.
Yeah. You know, you get involved and you write letters and you do whatever you can. And like, absolutely nothing changes. If anything, people dig in more and it gets more divisive. And after a while, you're just like, okay, this is just going to happen. Like, we're not going to get rid of AR 15s. You'll notice that it was an AR 15 that shot at the president and there wasn't any discussion at all about whether we should ban AR 15s because we've had that argument.
So many times and nothing ever changes. So you've just learned like, okay, it's a waste of energy. We'll move on. I don't know. So one of the items that's bothering me lately that we didn't talk about, it's not even getting a lot of coverage is the world's richest man, Elon Musk is donating 45 million a month.
45 million a month to the, to the Trump campaign. Donald Trump, by the way, is a guy who like wants to ban electric vehicles or at least like hinder their growth. Just like, there's no reason for this. Yeah, but,
Kori: yeah, but you know what they have in common? Power, racism and power and money.
Keith: So that's what I just mean.
No, Trump has no
Laura: money. Yeah. That's go ahead, Keith. Sorry.
Keith: No, no, no. I'm just saying in the face of that, it's like, really? That's what people used to spend on entire presidential campaigns. Not that long ago.
Laura: Probably a fraction of that.
Keith: And now it's, he's getting it every month. Uh, I, I don't know.
Laura: It's defeating.
It's grotesque. It's defeating.
Keith: And
Laura: it's yucky. Yeah. It's like people. Hold on, hold on. Are you the toddler? You use the word yucky. [00:21:00]
Kori: Yeah. It is. It's yucky. Like, people are starving. People are. We just criminalize homelessness. The, you know what I'm saying? It's like peep. There, there is. Corporations own like 40 percent of the housing market in our, in our country, and we have all of these empty homes and apartments and stuff, and now people who are out on the street are being criminalized for being out on the street.
But we're not trying to create solutions. So what we're going to just imprison them, and now our tax dollars are going to be spent paying to have them imprisoned. To force labor. And they're going to To, yeah, and then they're going to work for, for eight cents because they, they lost their job and they are unhoused.
Like what the hell? And these people are supposedly fucking Christians? Get the fuck out of here. What the hell?
Laura: Can that be the
Kori: title of this
Laura: episode? What the hell? Our
Kori: dark days when we are legislating against people, like first we are already experiencing This, like, wealth difference from one generation to the next, right?
Like, this is one of the first times ever that children are worse off than their parents. Okay, so we have that situation happening. We have these maternal health rates that are dismal, particularly for a first world country, and that are just getting worse. These infant mortality rates that are getting worse because of the bans on abortion and the fact that people don't actually care about children once they come out of someone's body.
They don't care about women and what they're going through when they're experiencing things in their body. Okay. And then we're saying, ah, it really sucks that you lost your job and you don't have anywhere to stay. So we're going to just go ahead and put you in jail. We'll house you there. Like talk about a sickness in a country.
Like there is nothing communal about this place right now, right? It's like everyone, every man for himself. And that's one of our problems is this rugged individualism. We talked about this in the white supremacy episode, right? It's like. This, this idea that, like, people are all just supposed to figure it out by themselves.
But what are we paying into the government for every fucking turn? We pay the government when we get paid, because they take taxes out of our check. We pay the government when we pay other people, because they take taxes for that. We pay taxes on top of that. We pay the government when we buy groceries, cars, insurance, pay for, like, What are we paying for?
Laura: Bombs to Gaza. I know, clearly we're oversimplifying. But I'm just saying, you're just saying, and I'm just agreeing, that the commodification of everything in American life, the impotence, Of the government to do things meaningful, a la banning [00:24:00] dangerous weapons that are killing children in schools.
Kori: Like books.
Yeah. Apparently. That's a priority. Dangerous. And TikTok.
Laura: Yeah. It's just, it's a lot. You hit on something though. You said this, nothing about this country right now is communal. That every man for himself. I would posit that, again, oversimplifying, but in terms of principles, like where do we go from here?
Community is everything. Community is everything. Both like. Logistics. Like, okay, if shit hits the fan, I need to find my people. How are we going to help each other out? Right? In terms of like amassing enough support where enough letters, Keith, go to the right person where it suddenly it becomes unpopular.
They're going to lose their seat if they don't like community in that sense, um, community in terms of self care in the midst of the fricking hellscape we're in, how are we taking care of ourselves? I think that's the only thing we can do if not to improve this place to survive this place right now.
J: I'm hopeful
Laura: it's both, but at the very least, we have to survive before we can do anything else.
Kori: Yeah. I mean, I'm And we have to keep other people alive in the process. Yeah. Because my kids keep wanting to eat. Right. Because kids keep wanting to eat.
Laura: And therein is this, like, weird tension that we just want to acknowledge is the macro and the micro, right? All this is happening, and we are feeling all of the pressures of this.
I feel like it's a vice grip. Like, we're just, it's just tightening and tightening and tightening and tightening. And it's getting harder to breathe and to feel confident and to have hope for your future.
Kori: And I also feel like it's getting harder to pretend away. Yeah. Right? It's getting harder to ignore as just like background noise.
It is becoming more and more foregrounded. Yeah. It's the
Laura: idea, like the privilege of people saying, I just don't pay attention to politics. Like you, that's privilege anyway, but like, how can, how can you right now ignore, okay fine, ignore one, you got six more, you got ten more, what else? Yeah.
Keith: I think for a lot of people it's still abstract, but these things are going to start to crystallize for a lot more people as we go.
So like all three of us have worked in education, and it might just seem like, oh, it's a presidential race, but Project
Kori: 2025, getting rid of the Department of Education. Exactly.
Keith: Like, and like grant programs, anything that has the words diversity, equity, and inclusion in it will be gone overnight. And all of a sudden lots of people lose their jobs, but then you have the cascading impact of there goes all this research that was like really important that we were trying to do all these, like.
It's, it seems really abstract and so immediately it's not, and now all of a sudden it's very real.
Kori: And we need people to pick up on that sooner. Because once it's real, it's too late. And the truth is, it's already real. Right? It's not as extreme. It's like if we're thinking about it on a [00:27:00] pendulum, it's not at the far right yet on the pendulum, but it is on its way there.
It is not at the center.
Laura: Um, can I also just point out, like, okay, so obviously education is very dear, near and dear to all three of our hearts. Um, Project 2025, 2025, Project 2025. Google it if you haven't. But also calls for the dismantling of NOAA, the National Oceans and Atmospheric Association. Yeah. No weather reports.
Yes. No hurricane warnings. Correct.
Keith: Well, you, you, you could get them, but you'd have to pay for them. They would be outsourced to private companies. So you'd have to sign up for, like, a tornado warning. So only people with disposable income would be able to know that there's, there's a tornado coming.
Kori: People with economic privilege.
Mm hmm.
Keith: Seriously. Mm
Kori: hmm. I mean, even just thinking about that, and that's what already exists, right? Thinking about what happened in Texas just the other day. The Burl. Burl. Burl. Burl. Burl. Well, we call it My cousin
Laura: Burl. I call it Burl. I've been saying the name of the But okay, we'll go with that too. It's more like Murl.
Okay. I get that. I get it. Okay. That lady. Yeah.
Kori: Yeah. Anyway. The people who had power were the people who were in power. The more affluent communities, the people who had power or had power restored quickly, right, and other people had no power for a week or longer as a heat wave is
Laura: moving through. If you watch the Outer Banks on Netflix, it's the pogues versus the kook, the haves and the have nots, and after the hurricane comes through the Outer Banks, there's generators and all of this available for.
The kooks, the fancy peeps, but the pogues, the island folks, not so much. Sorry, couldn't resist. Couldn't resist. Shout out Mary Camp, who turned me on to that show.
Kori: That's the truth. That's how it is. And that's like a real life thing, right? It's like, it's something we watch as entertainment, but it's also the experience of people in real life.
And I think that that's one of the things, the tools, the strategies that have been used very effectively to, to mute people's ability to have compassion and empathy is we turn those hard things into entertainment. And so these things are shows and movies that we're watching and we're looking at them as entertainment and we are disconnecting the fact that this is actually some people's real life lived experience.
And we can't extend the compassion that we feel for these fake characters on shows to people who are living
Laura: through this in real life. Story is supposed to connect us with empathy so we can stretch that muscle and extend it in real life. But we're looking
Kori: at it as entertainment. And so it's like, that's as far as it goes for us.
It's like in the box.
Laura: So we are living in a tricky place in time. Our kids still want food and entertainment and, you know, We still need to do the things we need to do. We still need to go to work. And we need to
Kori: rest. And we need to relax. And we need to rejuvenate. And have the time at the beach. And have the positive ions flowing over us.[00:30:00]
To just like get our energy
Laura: restored and your music and your music and all it. And
Kori: spend time with family and, you know, drive up to New Jersey to see people and that we love and spend a week at the beach and go cruising with family. Like, like we still have to, we still need, need those. Uh, outlets and those breaks and that, uh, rest and that restoration and that rejuvenation
Laura: time.
I think it's, yeah, and we need to not feel crazy or selfish or awful doing that because self care is so important in the meantime. I think that's one of the hardest things for me. To your point, right? You're like, I've got to feed my toddler and there are toddlers mining cobalt in the Congo or Right. In Sudan.
Like, that tension is so hard to, as a person with compassion and empathy, and somebody who wants to make the world a better place, and knowing that like, I have so much, and I'm living in a world where so much can be taken away, and it's so very clear. And kind of navigating that, um, with yourself, your sense of self intact, that you feel like You're doing what you can, right?
Be it donations, be it that activism, whatever you can, you're doing what you can and the idea that you alone can't fix it is both sobering and kind of merciful.
Kori: Yeah. It's like, I've been talking with my parents about this, right? Like there are so many people who are focused on like, we just can't get Trump, have Trump, right?
And yeah, we can't. He's the fucking worst. And I just like them to acknowledge the fact that we're talking about like the elite bourgeoisie of the United States and Biden is in that category too. And like our leaders, the, most of the members of Congress, most of the members of the Senate are also in that category.
One of the smallest populations that exists. In our society, holding and wielding the majority of the power. And so, like, I just don't want to pretend that it's gonna be amazing under somebody else, right? Like, it's not gonna be the worst, for sure. It's not gonna be, like, Nazi Germany up in this piece.
Blessed be the
Laura: fruit.
Kori: Right? But it's still not gonna be the democracy. That we have been espousing that we are, right, like it's still, there's still this consolidation of power in a small group of people around money, right? [00:33:00] Lobbyists and corporations really are wielding the majority of the power and that needs to shift back to the people.
J: Query for president. And so I think we
Kori: just have to be able to Think differently about it. That's all. Right? It's like, we're so, so many, I've talked to so many people who are just like in this narrow path of like, either or, it's like, so if we vote for Biden, we should also have very high expectations. I mean, if he's in the fucking race, who knows?
Yeah. Right. Who knows? Trump's best opponent.
Laura: Yes.
Kori: But we should also have very high expectations for what that person is doing, right? And how they are executing that job that we put them in. Right? It's like, I'm so over me being a Black woman, I'm really over Democrats showing up expecting Black people to support them and promising to do all of these things for Black people.
And then when they get there, it's like, yeah, yeah, we'll get to you. It's like, we got Juneteenth as a federal holiday, but that's it.
That's, that's like, here, shh, shh, go. Here, here's your little pacifier. Now, now go.
It's like, but there's anti Asian hate legislation.
Laura: Which is
Kori: a good thing. Which is
Laura: a good thing.
Kori: Yes, which is 100 percent a great thing. But it's like, so we saw increases of assaults on the Asian community during the heavy parts of the pandemic. And legislation was passed to protect that group of people.
Meanwhile, Black folks in America are literally getting murdered. Everyone's investing 2020 because we watched George Floyd get murdered on our phones. And we get Juneteenth as a holiday that we were celebrating anyway. And these queer
Laura: yeah, yeah, I won't even go there. I'm just gonna go somewhere else.
Yeah. And
Kori: these corporations are now all divesting from their DEI
Laura: efforts. Tractor supply. I know they're not on the same page. But there was no
Kori: legislation associated with the needs of black folks. You get your little holiday, now go on and be happy. But there's anti hate legislation for Asian folks, which is good, but why is that, why is that legislation not
Laura: extended for everybody?
Kori: Why are we not like, what are we
Laura: like?
Kori: I'm so blessed beyond measure and I'm still fucking mad.
Laura: And that's not because of something failing in you. That's because, yeah,
Kori: that's like we're failing each other. Our government is failing us there. Where is the collective compassion for humanity?
Laura: Well, [00:36:00] I'm glad I have y'all.
Yeah, totally.
Kori: It's like, but it's, it's just a thing that I feel like a lot of us are going through. Just like the macro and the micro, the, the ebb and the flow, the big stuff and the small stuff. The day to day, um, stress of like parenting, divorces, supporting adult children, supporting young children, aging parents, all of these kinds of things, right?
That we're trying to get our ducks in a row and our life in order. And literally, things are on fire around us in, in like the macro level of just, like
Laura: Yeah, like we're putting out little fires, like little brush fires around us, and there's like a forest fire outside. It's like a
Kori: forest fire, just like raging.
Just like raging, and we have our little bucket, like, got that one out. Stop, stop, stop,
Laura: stop! Yeah, it's uh, yeah, or it's like the, the futility of brushing our teeth while eating Oreos. Right? This idea of like Have you seen
Kori: Have you seen that meme where it's like Uh, the, at the ocean mopping, right? Like
J: this.
Kori: It's like, I'm over here trying to mop all this water up and it's the ocean,
Laura: it just like keeps coming. I've never seen that. You know, I'll be Googling it after. I'll find it. I'll find it. We'll put it on the website. PushingPastMillenniumPodcast. com. Yeah. You can find this and more. Hey, how about a link to some Project 2025 material if you're new to this?
We'd be happy to put that up too. Oh yeah, we should.
Kori: Yep. We
Laura: should. Okay. So I know this is kind of a pivot. Okay. Let's make it a gentle pivot versus a hard pivot.
Kori: I was going to say, this is why these spaces are really great. No, I know. Having trusted spaces are really nice because you can have these conversations and pivot to other things, Lara.
Laura: Yeah. Like, how are you? Keith, how are you? Kori, how are you? What's on radar? Anything you want to share with folks since, that you've been up to since the last time we chatted? Not we chatted, like the three of us, but like more, bigger than this. It's okay if not.
Kori: I'm good. School is weird. I just, you know, anybody who's getting kids into school for the first time, it's like that
Laura: is a lot.
It's an adjustment. You've got the back to school and you've got the shadowing day and the, yeah, buying all the things. So, okay, for, I recently put up a blog on my personal website about five tips for like managing stress and staying sane, especially when you have a lot of kids for back to school shopping.
Bye. Um, anyway, side note, Kori was, was looking over it for me and giving me feedback. And she's like, you know, example, you have to buy six glue sticks and dah, dah, dah, and I go, oh, wait till you see, you have to buy like 32 glue sticks per child. Brace yourself. And I'm not begrudging anybody for asking 32 I'm at the place.
Kids are eating glue sticks, for God's sake. I'm at the place where it's
Kori: like, I think we were buying eight glue sticks or something. We have six or eight glue sticks, because it's pre K, so I can only imagine. Nice thing to ease you into it. Yeah, I can only imagine. Yeah,
Laura: it's just [00:39:00] funny. Yeah, school is a lot.
It's gonna be a great, it's gonna be a transition for your whole fam, but it's gonna be real good. And this is, this is pre K for both. This is just pre K. Yeah. K is coming. K is coming. Yeah. It's a lot. It is a lot. But you're going to do great. And your boys are going to rock it. No question.
Kori: Yeah. It's, I mean, we have all these group chats.
And. Yeah, it's like, you know, just the school schedule, all the days off, like, who, who was school designed by and for? Right? It's
Laura: like, every third Friday, we're going to let out at 8, at 830, to come for a half an hour break. Right, it's like, yeah! Right! Exactly! And you know, we're going to go ahead and take election day off, so good luck voting with your kids with you, and um, if you don't mind, we're going to take four weeks of Christmas Yeah, I hear you.
It's funny, innit? Innit? It's funny. Innit? Innit? Yeah. How the buddy Holly's doing? Your trivia team key. Crushing it.
Keith: We're good. Some of us won last night. Um. Did some of you lose?
Kori: How some of you lose?
Keith: A lot of the team wasn't there, because there, I don't know if this is a national thing, but there's a lot of COVID going around where we are.
Uh, just one more thing. One more bucket that I need to worry about.
Kori: I actually think it's an international thing. Yeah. Because I was, we were on a call about our trip, and they were like, COVID is starting to pop up. Oh, Cory on a cruise. Oh, please no. I know. I know. I know, you know, look it, I already have my Lysol spray, I have a case of disinfectant wipes coming, like we're, we, I'm gonna be
Laura: ready.
Are you gonna mask during the flights? Probably, well, I don't know if the boys will do it. I understand that, I was gonna say, I am, I'm a nut, I'll do it all, cause I don't wanna be sick on the trip, if you spent this kind of money and this kind of time planning it.
Kori: Yeah.
Laura: Germs stay away. Not today.
Kori: Yeah. Not today.
Laura: Yeah.
Kori: Yeah.
Keith: Spray it all. Oh, God. Sorry to put that in your head. It's going to be fine, Kori. Don't worry about it.
Laura: Go ahead. Go ahead. Keep going. COVID's going around. Buddy Holly, as some of you show up and win it all, the rest of you, you don't get to share my trophy.
Keith: Yeah, no, I mean, it's I I'm more concerned with professional stuff as you guys know, I'm sure Whatever happens, I'll be fine.
But
Laura: but that's managing a lot of emotions for you and your personal life to amidst everything else going on
Keith: Yeah, it's just a lot of change. I don't know I feel like a lot of us sometimes we gloss over how we talk about how crazy things are right now but Looking back the last handful of years, what we've all gone through, um, What are you talking
Kori: about?
The last handful of years? Our whole fucking lives! For minutes? Are you serious? It's like been our whole
J: lives! Yeah.
Kori: Like, we could, we could point to something like every three years. From the, from when we [00:42:00] were born or let's say when we were ten years old or something. We could point to some sort of fucking something.
Keith: Sure. Yeah. I just, like, the pandemic, The pandemic. It seems like a hard fork, um, and a lot, it's not just the pandemic, a lot changed that year that it's just 9
Kori: 11 changed forever.
Keith: Sure. Yeah. I just feel like the world changed really, really quickly over the last handful of years. And then AI, like Jesus, we haven't even mentioned
J: the robots once,
Keith: but it's just, you know, Sometimes it's sort of feel like.
You don't even have time to process, um, the world that you're living in.
Kori: Can I say something to that? I feel like that's an American trap though. Like, there are so many other places. Like, think about just this one thing. Our rail system.
Laura: That's quite the example you just pulled out of your pocket.
Kori: But this, just, almost every other first world country has some sort of high speed railing.
Right? And so, like, we can't even barely afford to take the train here because we're living in 19 1872 around our rail system, but that makes some of these other things feel like and they've advanced so fast because we are really behind so much else of the world, like so much more of the world.
Laura: I think 1872 was the year that my university was founded, which is why I just whipped my head around to look at my diploma.
Like, that's a weird thing to pull out of your
Kori: hat. Yeah, I don't know. Any Virginia Tech people, you
Laura: might know this. Maybe I'm wronging off by a year or two, but sorry.
Kori: Um, yeah, ours was 17. 89, mine. Ooh, look at you, old lady. Yeah, there's a restaurant that, um, It's old. In Georgia. It's old school. Yeah. Mm, anyway.
It's literally old. It's literally old school. But you know what I'm saying? Like, to what your, your point, Keith, is, like, a lot of these changes that we've experienced, we, we were, like, forced to experience, that other places have been me. Introducing over decades and so some of these adjustments that feel like hard adjustments for us have been things that they've been integrating into their society for much
Laura: longer.
Forgive me, can you explain then the connection between rail and like, I get the Europe rail versus our rail.
Kori: It's like Europe rail, Japan, like so many countries have like high speed rail. So many countries have built rail. Uh, built cities, like ours, ours, the reason, one of the reasons our country is not walkable is because we're racist as fuck.
And so, you think about the fact, seriously, no, really. No, I know, it it,
Laura: it was the way you said it. You know I know this.
Kori: Yes, it's like, we, we don't have a lot of walkability in our cities because we were so busy trying to keep people out. Driving highways through successful black
Laura: neighborhoods.
Kori: Yes, yes, and, and, and, and to split [00:45:00] things up and, and do those sorts of things that now we have.
We have to have cars almost to get around, but our public transportation doesn't work very well because the way that we designed our cities was to keep people out and not keep people connected. And so there's all of these things that are fallouts because of that baseline racism of separation, interrupting thriving Black and brown Indigenous communities, pushing people out, marginalizing and murdering.
And so now we're living in the 1900s around certain things. Um, those sorts of things are impacting our current experience. And so, to Keith's point about, you know, It, a lot of things shifted in this last few years. I feel like they were forced to shift, but if we were living in a society that cared about advancement and people, that some of those shifts would have been happening anyway over longer runways of time.
I see. And it wouldn't feel so stark.
Keith: We would have been working from home and, uh, having Fridays off for a lot longer. Yes!
Kori: Exactly! And, and there, and, and the idea of like
Laura: Child care is provided! Child care, yeah! And you've got insurance, and Yes, yes! So the COVID thing we can handle, because we've got, yeah.
Because we have health care
Kori: insurance that is, is not A system that's not built on sickness, we have a system that's built on health, and we want people to be healthy. And so we will cover you to come and do all the preventative things. And you know what I'm saying? Like, but no, here we were testing. Uh, things on healthy black people and we were seeing how, and, and healthy, uh, indigenous people.
Let's see how this stuff works and see how their bodies break down. Let, like, let's experiment on women and, and, uh, now we're, I am the creator of gynecology even though I stole all of this from somebody else. And let's see how this, uh, syphilis plays out. We're going to tell them that we're treating them with something, but we're going to give them something.
Let's see how it shakes down. And let's, uh, throw these blankets on these indigenous people as they do the Trail of Tears. And let's see how it's, how the disease works through them and how their body changes and breaks down. That's what we've been doing. So, it's like, We've been forced to, like, make these advances and these shifts and, like, engage in these new things because it's, we have to be able to compete in some way, but we could have been doing this for ages.
We could have been doing it for a long time.
Keith: So, using your Europe example, I can, I might be able to tie up with a little bit of optimism here. I need it. Yeah, yeah,
Laura: yeah. Please, because I gotta feed kids and I gotta be, they're coming home from camp today, you guys, and I need to be really cheerful. They're
Kori: gonna
Laura: be here
Kori: [00:48:00] in an hour and I'm not ready.
Keith: But why
Kori: is this not optimistic?
Keith: It's what I'm going to say is not going to, it's not going to start optimistic, but I'll get there. I promise. Okay. So we're talking about You got to, you got to work.
Laura: You got to take Kori's hand and get her to optimist.
Keith: How all these European countries and Japan, a lot of places have all this sort of advanced transportation infrastructure and they're just like better designed than we are.
A lot of that, not a lot, maybe, excuse me, I might have COVID. So a big Don't. Oh God. Oh God. A big contributing factor to that is the fact that they had World War I and then World War II, World War II more specifically, where a lot of these places got destroyed. It was horrible. And because a lot of their infrastructure was destroyed, In the 1940s, then they were rebuilding.
And it created an opportunity to redo. Whereas America, which we, we've never gotten bombed, our stuff was built in the 1900s, you know, 1910s. That's why we, we have a lot of these differences is because they sort of had this opportunity where everything was so shitty. And so broken and they could be like a little bit more intentional about how they were going to build back up.
So as an analogy for where we are now for looking at this country as being broken in a lot of ways, and it is for a lot of different people. Hopefully, if, if it, when it gets so bad that everybody agrees that it's broken, it serves as a collective opportunity to say, well, let's try something different.
Kori: Yeah. I think, I think the, the challenge is that people don't agree on what's broken, right? I think people agree that it is broken,
J: but they point to different
Kori: problems, point to different problems. We don't agree on what's broken. Right. It's like at the RNC, they're handing out, they were handing out flyers about saying mass deportation, like send them all back.
And it's like, well, you should look in the mirror, bitch. Why don't you take your ass back to Germany or Poland or Italy? Or, wherever the fuck you came from, like, who are you talking about? Who are you talking about?
Laura: This is where leadership really matters, too. And I, I've been astonished by the lack of leadership exhibited by these two candidates.
The lack of vision, uh, it's, I'm not, I'm not as bad as that guy. And get rid of the illegal kind of shit, right? Yeah, agreed. So, so. Cool. I am, I am sincerely, you know, to Keith's point, sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you can fix, right? Sometimes on individual's journeys, on society's journeys.
Why would we think we are going to be immune from turmoil forever? Like, it's, it's, I think our day is coming to decide what we want America to be moving forward. Um, and I think, I'm hopeful that if there's a shakeup in who's going to be at the top of the ticket, there could be some room for infusion of new ideas, [00:51:00] some actual like inspiration and bringing people together.
I don't know. It's all the hope I can cling to right now. It's all the hope I can cling to. Is that the rock bottom hits and that we have some emergence of leadership and people with vision for how things could be done better.
Kori: Sure. And I mean, I think the other part is like. People need to come together and actually just talk, you know, like my experience as a millennial black mama, whatever, whatever, whatever, and your experience.
And so, but us being able to talk helps you to at least have some insight into my experience. I think the other part, though, is people need to care because it's like we can get, we can point to all the examples. And all of the ways that this is America and all of the ways that it has been done differently, successfully, and pulled back, and I think Keith, you pointing to World War II is a fabulous example of how the United States has Was able to create universal healthcare quick, fast, and in a fucking hurry when they need women, when they needed women in the workforce, because all the men were off to war.
And so we sure were able to figure out how to take care of these kids so that the women could work and keep the clogs moving. Right. And so it's like the solutions exist. It is 100 percent possible. Yeah. But do people who aren't feeling the pinch of it care enough to, to, uh, support the creation of these kinds of spaces and opportunities so that all people can feel like they're thriving?
Yeah, it works for them. And the answer is no. Well, At this moment.
Laura: Yes.
Kori: Correct.
Laura: That's where we've got to move. And
Kori: that's where we've got to move. We're back to this idea of community and compassion, where we are not just always in it for ourselves. Where as long as it's working for me, then you, you know, you're on your own.
It's no, it's It should be working for way more of us than it is.
Laura: That's maybe the danger in this moment of, oh crap, I'm terrified, I'm gonna get a bunker and shelf stable food and just keep my head down, right, is like, we need connection. That's the only, the only way out is through, and the way that we're going to make any kind of meaningful change is in connection.
We have to resist that urge to only, to, to, to go deeper into ourselves in defeat and this.
Kori: Yeah, but that's not America
Laura: girl. I'm
Kori: so that's like that's like a big time. It's countercultural.
Laura: We need to push. That's what I mean
Kori: Yeah, [00:54:00] exactly. It's it's countercultural. Yes, right It's like our tendency has been to do what you were saying and what we need in this moment is to be much more connected and outward and make Things like the unity that people were experiencing in encampments, more of like the norm, not the encampment itself, I'm not saying that part, but like the sharing that was happening there, the learning that was happening there, in those spaces, right?
I, all the different kinds of, of stories that I've heard from people who were in the encampments. It was like a, a hub of love and connection and affirmation, right? And that's, to me, the kind of energy that we should all be beginning to embody and exude with one another. It's like, I want to learn about your experience.
I want to understand why you think that this book I've never read and is on the banned list is something that's important. I want us to move to this, this place where We just feel more connected and like the stories of our experience matter more to each other because that's how we can disrupt some of these systems that are maintaining the status quo of haves and have nots, of othering people, of isolating people, of marginalizing people.
Laura: Yeah, it makes me think, Kori, of how people can harbor anti LGBTQIA sentiments until it's their child. Yeah. Or until it's their family member, their nephew, their whatever, their sister, their brother.
Kori: Racist sentiments until it's like their daughter or son marries somebody and then they have grandkids that are multiracial, right?
And then they're like, but I love
Laura: these kids. Yep. So when it touches you, again, it shouldn't take that. Our empathy muscles should be stronger than that. But in the event that they're not, like again, to your point, like sharing and having this sense of connection and how this is impacting me differently than this is impacting you, Can be a starting point for developing that sense of connection and community and greater empathy that can lead to change.
Kori: And our empathy muscles aren't well exercised because we watch pain as entertainment. And so it's hard for you to exercise empathy muscles in real life when you're consuming trauma as a form of entertainment.
Laura: So cancel all your streaming services. I mean, I'm not saying I'm just kidding. No, well, I'm going, I'm trying to go full circle and put a bow on this about like Yeah, you know.
Remember we started talking about that? Yeah.
Kori: So it's like that, it's, it's, it's what you're saying. It's like, how do we get out of, out of our, off of our devices and away from the TV and find more opportunities to really like connect and talk and get to know people and understand people's more lived experiences to then see [00:57:00] that like.
Wow, what you're going through is not that distant or different from some of the things that I have experienced and I know that our backgrounds aren't the same and our, um, we don't live in the same kind of communities like you and I, Laura, you know, we have been able and Keith, we have all been able to connect on the, just like human level, getting to know you.
level and learning about each other as people. And then we, I happen to be in Maryland and I happen to be black and I happen to whatever, but like, we have had an opportunity to just like, get to know each other. And in that getting to know each other, we have been exercising our muscles around empathy, compassion, difference.
And learning how to disrupt some of the assumptions that we may have had about what it means to live in Florida or what it means to be living in a rural community or what it means to be, like, you know what I'm saying? And I think Children of divorce. Children of divorce, right? Supporting aging parents, like all kinds of things that we share and connect on.
What it's like to be dating in your 40, when you're 40. Right. Right, yeah, and what it's like to be raising toddlers when you're 40 versus raising toddlers when you're 30. But in sharing our stories, we learn from each other, we rely on each other, we support each other, right? And I think that that's more where we need to go as like a country.
And as a world, honestly.
Laura: Hear, hear.
Kori: Is that better? A little less doom and gloom? I'm waiting for, but this is America, that's not going to happen. But this is America. And so that, but because it's America, that just, that just means we have to work harder at it because it's not fabric, it's counterculture, it's not the fabric of our society.
The fabric of our society is really actually more divisive, bloody separation. It's more that. And so it feels like a lot of effort because we've been acculturated into something different. But that's not what we want. So let's just do something different. Do better. We can. I know. We literally, we can.
Laura: I know.
Well, and that's where it's hopeful that if, if all of us agree this isn't working, let's do better, right? What can we, what can we build together? Yeah.
Kori: On
Laura: that note. Thank you so much for listening and participating in this conversation today. I don't know, maybe you've yelled back at us in the car as you were listening.
I hope
Kori: you did. I hope we're arguing with you. I hope we're arguing in the car or on the walk. Yep.
Laura: Yep. Yep. Can you bring us with you? All the way. Um, and we miss you and thanks for your patience for our little summer hiatus cause, you know, Life keep life and in the world's crazy. So we just need to get through this.
Um, we wish you. Uh, connection. We wish you empathy, muscle building opportunities. Uh, we wish you lots of [01:00:00] self care as we hold this tension between the macro and the micro. With that, uh, thanks so much for tuning in. Until next time, I'm Laura. I'm Kori. And Keith. You wanna say goodbye?
Kori: And Keith.
Laura: Bye everybody.
Kori: We'll see you soon.
Laura: Thank you.
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Little Dude: Bye bye.
Laura: Jay, you did perfect!
